
Hannah John-Kamen as Dutch and Luke Macfarlane as D’avin on Killjoys. (Photo: Syfy.com)
Sometimes a TV show or movie reaches out and grabs you (Firefly, anyone?) and won’t let go. This summer many in the sci-fi romance community (including yours truly) have fallen in love with Killjoys on SyFy. With the finale this week, I reached out to Michelle Lovretta, the creator and showrunner of the amazing series, and posed a few burning questions.
Ms. Lovretta, a writer and producer, is also the creator of the series Lost Girl. Her full professional profile can be found on IMDb.
Killjoys is produced by Temple Street Productions in association with Space and Syfy.
Let me summarize the show briefly: The plot revolves around three space-going bounty hunters, featuring Dutch, the totally awesome woman who leads the team, and two brothers, John and D’avin. But that’s way too simplistic a summary, as the rich strands of family, friendship, history and duty bind these three complicated characters together over the season. I think I’m going to defer to Ms. Lovretta for the discussion of who these wonderful people are, and why they live and love the way they do. (There may be some mild spoilers for those who haven’t seen the previous episodes.)
Veronica: What were your major influences in developing the series?
Michelle: Hmmm. In terms of entertainment/media? The movies Aliens and Outland. Eighties buddy “cop” shows. And WOC action heroes.
Aliens was a hugely transformative movie for me personally and professionally, because it made me fall in love with space (and spaceships). I can also see seeds of the D’avin character in Hicks, the übercompetent military guy comfortable taking Ripley’s lead.
Outland, meanwhile, is an old Sean Connery movie I saw bits and pieces of on late-night TV as a kid, and the images and themes stuck with me for years. It’s about a washed-up cop sent to investigate deaths at a lunar mining colony that’s run by a ruthless corporation. It was the first time I saw the mundanity of a regular Joe “Earth” job in the exotic setting of space. I loved that contrast, and it’s part of why Dutch and the Jaqobis Boys aren’t, like, space pirates. They have a day job. A sexy, sexy day job, but still …
Tonally, I want Killjoys to avoid both super-grim sci-fi and total popcorn. So, we let our serialized arcs skew dark, make sure our relationships stay grounded, then pull the ripcord and have fun via our team dynamics. That “go team” energy comes partly from my love of all things “buddy cop” in the ’80s (Simon & Simon, the A Team, etc.). Those teams rarely involved equal female characters, so it’s been fun mixing Dutch in.
Lastly, Dutch’s origins — Ripley may have been my first iconic space heroine, but Dutch was never a white woman in my head, and I think I owe her inspiration to some of the amazing (and far too rare) black and biracial female action heroes we’ve had on screen. Three characters in particular have stuck with me over the years: Angela Bassett as Mace in Strange Days; Zoe Saldana in Colombiana; and the incredible Naomie Harris in 28 Days Later. I’m pretty sure my admiration of Harris is why Dutch always had an accent in my head … which is why I pushed us to search the U.K. … which is how we found the incredible Hannah John-Kamen. So the impact has been pretty significant.
Veronica: Aliens is my favorite movie of all time and I certainly can see the parallels between Ripley/Hicks and Dutch/D’avin. Can you share a bit about the world-building process for Killjoys?
Michelle: I vividly remember reading about the company towns phenomena in American history class as a kid, and being disturbed yet fascinated by the blatant paternalism, social engineering and virtual indentured servitude into which some devolved. Westerley was always intended to be a futuristic extension of that concept — a “company moon,” instead of a company town — and that dovetailed nicely with using the Quad as a planetary model of class, a de facto caste system in space.
Once I differentiated the four worlds of the Quad, I needed to create people who could breathe life into the various points of view of those trapped by (or benefiting from) the Quad’s political structure. So, The Nine, Delle Seyah, Pawter, Hills, Pree and Alvis were born. We used Warrants in season one as a way to give the audience an introductory tour of the Quad, while crashing us repeatedly into these secondary characters and letting them grow.
Veronica: I only wish we had time here today to talk about the wonderful supporting characters in Killjoys, because each one adds so much to the richness of the world where the events take place. What led to the decision to make the relationship between Dutch and John such a strongly platonic brother-sister bond, rather than romantic?
Michelle: Honestly, I just really believe in the beauty and worth of deep platonic connections regardless of the genders involved, and putting them out there into the world is important to me. I often see non-sexual relationships devalued and underrepresented both in media and in society, and I guess I’m reacting against that. I started exploring that “sex/friend” divide in my first series, Lost Girl, through the female best friends at the heart of that show — one straight, one a bisexual succubus who literally needs sex to live. But while Lost Girl looked at the value of friendship smashing up against sex and sexual orientation, in Killjoys we look at friendship intersecting with gender. (I suspect, in some small way, John and Dutch are my way for Bo and Kenzi to continue on their adventures. But, like … in space!)

The Jacobis boys (played by Luke Macfarlane and Aaron Ashmore) on Killjoys. (Photo: Syfy.com)
Johnny met Dutch at a time in her life when she was extremely emotionally messed-up. She’d essentially *just* escaped a life of mental games, deprivation, abuse and wasn’t quite herself yet. You don’t try to sleep with the Stockholm syndrome escapee, unless you’re an a**hole. (Spoiler alert: Johnny Jaqobis is not an a**hole.) They were both, to varying degrees, also deprived of happy childhoods, and I feel like that’s the common ground over which they first bonded. Their inner 8-year-olds became friends, and there’s a goofy innocence and sense of “rediscovering play” to their friendship ever since that I really love. What John gave to Dutch, for the first time, was someone who asked nothing of her in exchange for his friendship. With Johnny, there are no red boxes.
(Note from Veronica: Red boxes are a key plot point in the series.)
Michelle: And in return, in a weird way (and amongst other things) Dutch gave Johnny the happy family unit he wanted, a sense of purpose and belonging — and a “big brother” stand-in who wouldn’t leave. (But let’s not judge D’av for leaving the family just yet — there’s more to that story, which I hope we get into if we have a second season.)
People are free to ship John and Dutch (like I could stop you!), but I don’t think I’m going to. I mean, never say never, but it would take a whole lot of time and actor chemistry and changed storylines to convince me otherwise. Unrequited love sucks for everyone, no shame, but that’s not what this is. Friendship is not always the waystation to Sex Town, dammit! It’s a worthy destination of its own, and I hope we stay on course.
Veronica: Which brings us to the strong attraction and deep feelings between Dutch and D’avin, which are so integral to the plot — will these two be able to overcome their trust issues and start again?
Michelle: In a strange way, Dutch and D’av are just getting to really know one another, now that they’ve experienced their worst fears together through their shared trauma (D’av fears he’ll always hurt the ones he loves; Dutch fears that Khlyen is right and she can’t get close to people without becoming weak). Hell, I’m just getting to know them, in terms of who they are in relationships. That’s something D’avin can help show us about Dutch.

Dutch and D’avin have a romantic moment on Killjoys. Or is it? (Photo: Syfy.com)
Is there a future for them, romantically? I don’t know. But I do know that they have affected one another deeply. They’ve carved out a space together that John doesn’t share, recognize similar traits and scars in one another. Luke does some lovely stuff with D’avin (in episode eight) where he makes him physically appear romantically nervous around Dutch, and that vulnerability really opened him up for me. It’s pretty clear that he needs her on an emotional level, now, not just a physical one. And then Jaegar’s implant had to go eff it up, in two ways: It caused D’avin’s physical snap, and in doing so also took away the emotional security Dutch felt when she thought she and D’avin were on equal footing as killers. Now, to be honest, she doesn’t know what to feel.
I’m good with that. It was important to me to deal with that messiness honestly. Often, if a character suffers any emotional or physical damage from someone who may be deemed “not responsible” (due to addiction, mental illness … werewolf), the victim ends up being instantly put into the role of caretaker. You eat your pain politely with a knife and fork so that the one who damaged you doesn’t see it and feel worse. It was important to me that we not do that with Dutch, that we talk about what a sh*tty unfair additional mess it is when you don’t get a clear target of blame. D’avin was absolutely a victim, and is hurting. So is she. She’s never had to fight someone she was terrified of killing, and she hated how unarmed and vulnerable that made her feel. Dutch essentially says, “It’s not your fault, there’s nothing to forgive — but I remember. I’m not obliged to pretend that that trauma didn’t happen, just to make you feel better.” A large part of my drive to tell this story was just to hear Dutch say, “My pain matters, too.”
I think the FACT that she spoke the truth, and that D’avin understood without being defensive, is an excellent start. Genuinely clearing the air and giving one another time is what’s allowing them to move on and rebuild the trust they need as a team.
Veronica: On a lighter note, some fans are “shipping” John and Lucy — any chance we might see something develop along those lines?
Michelle: Do you mean “is John literally going to romantically bond with his ship”? No. Because … no. This is not Lars and the Real Spaceship!
But if you mean “is John going to continue to form a funny and evolving bond with the ship that is strangely loyal to him?” then absolutely, yes. And if we were ever to have a storyline where Lucy is ported into a physical body for some reason, then I could see some interesting stuff between them. Either way, I’ve always believed that Lucy’s programming was modeled on the voiceprint and personality of a real and existing woman, so it’s conceivable that one day Johnny might meet Real Lucy and feel an automatic pull. That’s actually one hilarious-yet-makes-me-misty hypothetical last scene of the series I’ve pictured for Johnny, if Dutch and John’s partnership were to ever conclude: We see John offering a lift to a stranded woman, and we all realize before he does that she has Lucy’s voice. The two of them riding off into the sunset would make me happy.
Veronica: I love that hypothetical ending! Will season one wrap up with a Happy For Now ending? (If you can tell us …)
Michelle: HaHa. No. Have we met?
Veronica: And we always ask: What’s on your to-be-read list? Or list of favorite books?
Michelle: My favorite book is A Complicated Kindness. It made me laugh and cry, and if you can get me to do both at once you’re a g**damn Wizard, Harry.
I’ve had a shameful reading dry spell for a while now — I can’t take in other external characters or world-building while I’m writing because my head is too full. So I go cold turkey until hiatus, but I’ve been on a compensatory reading bender, lately: Next up is Childhood’s End, 52 Pickup, A Visit From the Goonsquad and The Girl With All the Gifts. I’m trying to stretch beyond my usual genre habit, but it’s hard. I’ll take recs, if you got ’em!
In the meantime, thanks for your interest in the show (it’s chock-full of lovely people behind the scenes who all helped make it happen) and fingers crossed for season two.
You can learn more about Killjoys, which airs at www.syfy.com/killjoys.
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Amazon best-seller Veronica Scott is a three-time recipient of the SFR Galaxy Award, and has written a number of science-fiction and fantasy romances. Her latest release is Star Cruise: Marooned. You can find out more about her and her books at veronicascott.wordpress.com. Please e-mail Veronica at scifiencounters@gmail.com about content related to this column. Due to the volume of mail, e-mails may not be answered personally, but all will be read.